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Don’t confuse indirect conversation with positioning/timing for the approach. You cannot do an indirect daygame opener if the approach was abrasive. Everything needs to be smooth. This is the most advanced method to learn, don’t be arrogant by thinking you can figure it out yourself. You won’t.

There is no daygame coach in the world that is teaching proper indirect daygame apart from myself (2022).

1. Covert positioning
2. Covert timing
3. Covert approach
4. Indirect daygame opener

I’ve pretty much got a Phd in dating women from growing up surrounded by them. My mother was single by time I was 2 years old and so were her two sisters. Those sisters (my aunts) had daughters, plus my grandmother was single too. All these women gathered together to live together in the ghetto. There were no men around except me as a child.

I grew up surrounded with women, which gave me a huge advantage in interacting with girls in school. While most boys my age were scared of girls, I felt more comfortable around girls than I did with boys. This means that my education on women started earlier and hasn’t stopped since.

Many times the women in my family told me to never tell a girl she is pretty or cute or hot. It was explained to me that women are not a piece of meat, and if you spend time talking about her appearance, she’ll assume you don’t care about her personality.

As a teenager I learned that being direct with women by showing too much intent was a bad idea, it would decrease my chances of dating the girl. But I didn’t fully understand why. So, whenever I would have problems with dating girls, I would turn to the women in my family for advice.

Before I left high school at the age of 18 years old, I was already indirectly gaming girls. This indirect method has been refined for over twenty years now.

On Average Indirect daygame is the most advanced strategy and will help men date girls above their mate value. Showing intent is more subtle, this holds your status higher in her eyes. Indirect game can be used at work or in social settings that picking up girls would be frowned upon. It’s covert, it’s invisible and advanced.

Below I’m going to get into far more detail about indirect daygame openers.

Covert Cold Approach (Indirect Daygame)

Guys who come to me for coaching always confuse indirect daygame, the verbals and body language with how they actually approach the girl. Let me explain this one in more detail. Indirect daygame and positioning for a covert approach are two very different things.

Positioning for a covert daygame cold approach is skill of itself. I drill my students on positioning continuously until they can get into an interaction with a girl in such a smooth manner that even the girl thinks it was spontaneous. You don’t want the girl to think it was methodical, nor do you want onlookers to know your picking up girls.

Covertly cold approaching girls, so that you don’t draw the attention of every onlooker in the immediate vicinity, should be what you are trying to achieve. Surely you don’t want everyone knowing you are treating the grocery store like a nightclub, that’s a good way to get kicked out by security.

The perfect covert daygame cold approach is when the girl sees it as a natural way to start a conversation and all the onlookers who can see the approach think that you know her already. Being able to smoothly get into an interaction with a girl with perfect positioning and timing is a difficult skill to learn without a coach like myself to teach you.

Situational Openers in Daygame (Indirect Daygame)

If you are here looking for canned lines, you will never get good at indirect daygame. The type of guy who is looking for a specific line to say to a girl is the same guy who will repeat the same opener to every girl he opens. Don’t be one of these guys.

Indirect daygame is known as an advanced method, for the simple reason that it takes creativity. You need to be trying new things, innovating on the fly, while trying to master indirect daygame.

Direct daygame is like getting a university degree. Indirect daygame is like getting a PhD, writing your thesis, becoming a professor, then going into scientific research on daygame.

Dave

Half the battle is covertly positioning yourself. If you have positioned yourself in a covert way and you find yourself within talking distance to the girl you would like to indirectly open. This is when you need to look in the environment for a good situational conversation starter.

How To Open Indirect In Daygame

The situational opener is always a comment made about something in the environment that illicits a response from the girl you are hoping to start a conversation with. Never comment on her appearance or what she is doing, the aim is to talk about something external you both can talk about. Most of the time she will not engage with you, all you are doing is throwing out a comment and hoping she engages. This is an indirect daygame opener.

This takes finess, if you try this with multiple women and none of them engage with you, it’s important to understand this is apart of the game. You can start to ask a question about something situational in the environment, but keep in mind, this is where many guys get stuck on how to transition from an indirect approach into a pickup.

The ideal situational opener scenario starts with a smooth and covert approach. A situational comment on something in the environment and the girl engages in a conversation with you about this thing (whatever it may be). While discussing the thing, she realises that you are in fact trying to pick her up. This all happens while all onlookers in the vicinity think you already know the girl.

Indirect Daygame: Transition Into A PickUp

This is the most common question that guys talk about when opening indirectly in daygame. The weird thing is, this question tell me more about the guy, than anything else. If you have the ability to hold a conversation with a girl about any topic, you will have the ability to stick in enough for her to understand that you’re interested in dating her.

Guys who ask this question are not getting into the meat of the conversation enough, nor are they trying new things. I’d recommend to many guys who ask me this question to approach an elderly lady and talk about the weather with her. This will give them practice with holding a basic indirect conversation.

You are obviously not trying to pick up a granny. But it’s still training for newbies.

Most of the time, these same guys will tell me that they don’t want to talk to any girls they are not attracted to. At this point I know this guy will NEVER have solid and consistent success with women for these reasons.

1. He has zero self awareness. Skipping steps without mastering the step previously means you’ll never progress.
2. He’s not willing to experiment with new things.
3. He’s ego tell him that his ability is too high for him to try such basic things (even though he’s skills are at beginner level).
4. He’ll never learn to consistently have basic conversations with women because of his lack of practice.

How to transition from an indirect daygame opener into a pick up. This takes self awareness and the ability to read women, the only way to do this is through practice and I recommend doing coaching with myself if you are having difficulty learning on your own. Very few can learn on their own, don’t fool yourself.

Here are some of my best posts:

• Cold approach is a lifestyle (My Philosphy)
• What is indirect daygame
• What I say to Girls (Logistics)
• How to Write a PickUp field report
• How to spot a fake dating coach
• How I got laid in Japan (epic post)
• Why Thailand is NO longer good for getting laid

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